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Since the microwave is built with a dual battery port, maybe Makita can also build an 18V X2 model.

Learn More:

Makita is Really Launching a Cordless Microwave

Milwaukee Pipeline 2023 – Readers’ Questions Answered

Stuart — Wed, 09 Aug 2023 12:00:00 +0000

Milwaukee’s Pipeline 2023 media event is now over.

It will take me some time to sort things out and provide more details about everything that I saw and learned.

Readers had some great questions, and I wanted to briefly answer as many of them as possible.

What can you tell us about the FORGE battery line?

Forge will be the higher performance tier of Milwaukee cordless power tool batteries.

Technologies will be mixed. For instance, yes, the new M18 Forge XC 6Ah battery will be built with pouch cells, while the MX Fuel Forge batteries and the M18 Forge 12Ah battery (slated for the later half of 2024 if I recall correctly) will be engineered with next-gen tab-less cylindrical cells.

The tab-less battery tech is new to me, but seems promising.

Not only that, the endurance level of Forge batteries are taken to the next-level, such as with rapid cooldown capabilities via the new Super Charger.

It’s going to take me time to ensure I have the details correct, and I’m happy to field more questions in the meantime.

“Tabless” batteries? Seems like Milwaukee took a very incremental approach to providing higher output M18 batteries.

Not really. As I understand it, tab-less is a better solution here.

Pouch cells are an option, but the tab-less cylindrical cells in the higher capacity upcoming Forge batteries deliver performance, endurance, and thermal dissipation that batter match users’ demands.

There are engineering and user experience reasons why the 12Ah Forge battery is built with these new cells over Li-ion pouch cells.

Are the FORGE batteries their version of pouch cells?

Forge will not be tied to any specific Li-ion battery cell technology.

The new Milwaukee M18 Forge 6Ah battery is said to deliver the same power level as their current High Demand High Output (HD HO) 12Ah battery.

Can the brushless rotary tool pretty much use anything made for a dremel?

Yep! I’m told there is full collet and accessory compatibility.

Will the updated/new mechanics tools be made in the USA?

No. But… nearly everything is on the table right now.

I spoke with a few decision-makers to see what is and is not on the table right now.

USA-made mechanics tools are not something Milwaukee is actively developing right now – at least that’s the story and I believe it – but they are not done exploring options.

That power bank is technically a packout base, isn’t it?

* Witty response *

I liked the Packout integration – it made sense.

Any updates on launch timing and estimated runtime with whatever batteries they tested it with would be greatly appreciated, especially if it’s available for say both a table saw and a standard refrigerator.

I have a press kit in my inbox, and interview Q&A on video. Most of the products we saw today are slated for release before the end of the year.

Whereas Milwaukee’s power tool batteries are engineered with power cells, the Roll-On is engineered with energy cells, similar to what’s being used in the EV industry.

There are 2 duplex receptacles, each with 2 outlets for 4 total.

The unit can deliver sustained power of 3600W, and higher peak power. So that’s 2x 15A simultaneous load at 120V.

What is “Nitrus” carbide?

High longevity carbide saw blade teeth.

Hope you can ask why they don’t offer a wheeled packout drawer base like ridgid just announced.

Oh, I did. Short answer: they’re working on it.

The M12 Fuel Insider Extended Reach Box Ratchet has piqued my interest. Is it like a powered pass through ratchet?

Yes.

I want to be part of the power bank Seed program. Can it take any mix of batteries

It has a built-in battery that *will* be replaceable via service center.

So, the new Packout is a 4 drawer system? Still only one set of dividers included?

Each Milwaukee Packout drawer tool box will now ship with a full set of dividers for every drawer.

Any More Questions?

Please keep them coming!

See Also:

Milwaukee Pipeline 2023 – New Tools First Look

Milwaukee M18 Fuel Cordless 1/2″ Router

Stuart — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:32:43 +0000

Milwaukee announced a new M18 Fuel cordless router, 2838-20, which they describe as “a complete replacement for a corded mid-sized router.”

The router delivers 2.25 peak horsepower, with Milwaukee also emphasizing its control, comfort, and runtime.

There are two bases available for use with the router motor – a fixed base, and a plunge base.

The router motor features a variable speed dial, from 12,000 to 25,000 RPM, and over two inches of travel with both macro and micro-adjust knobs. It also has a dual LED worklight.

A guide rail adapter is available separately, 48-11-2838.

Key Specs

Collet Sizes: 1/4″, 1/2″
Weighs 8.8lbs (tool-only)
10.9″ length x 10.5 height (tool-only)
12,000 – 25,000 RPM
Variable speed
Spindle lock
Dual LED light
Dust collection shroud

With respect to runtime, Milwaukee says that the mid-sized router provides best-in-class run-time with up to 225 linear feet per charge, when routing 5/8” roundovers in pine.

The kit, 2838-21, comes with the router motor, plunge base, fixed base, 1/4″ and 1/2″ collets, XC 6Ah battery, rapid charger, tool bag, dust shroud, edge guide, collet wrenches, template base.

A bare tool is also available, 2838-20, bundled with the fixed base.

Price: $349 tool-only, $599 for the kit
ETA: September 2023

Buy the Router Kit at Acme Tools

Discussion

There are very few cordless mid-size routers on the market. You can get a lot done with a compact 1/4″ trim router, but there are a lot of times and tasks where a 1/2″ router is more suitable, whether for its power, typically wider base, or router bit compatibility.

I have warmed up to trim routers over the years, not so much because of their size, but because of the convenience modern cordless versions offer.

With the new M18 Fuel cordless router, it seems that tool users don’t have to choose between power and cordless convenience. I am extremely eager to see if Milwaukee’s new mid-size router can truly serve as a corded replacement.

Dewalt Cordless Snow Blower – First Look!

Stuart — Fri, 04 Aug 2023 00:58:05 +0000

Here’s a first look at the new Dewalt FlexVolt cordless snow blower!

The first-ever Dewalt cordless snow blower, DCSNP2142, features a brushless motor, single stage auger design, and 21″ snow-clearing width.

It’s got a 7-inch steel auger, for chopping through heavy wet snow, dual LED headlights, an electric 2-way chute control, push button start, ECO mode for prolonged battery life, boost mode for quicker driveway cleanings, 9-inch wheels, and a quick-fold handle for convenient storage.

The electric chute control paddles are located at the operator’s fingertips.

The 3 power modes – max, standard, eco – gives users the flexibility to choose between maximum clearing power, longer battery life, or balanced performance.

At the max power setting, the snow blower can throw snow up to 40 feet, with the distance measured along the snow discharge arc.

Dewalt says that the new FlexVolt snow blower can clear up to 16 parking spaces (9′ x 18′ average with 3-5″ snow depth) on a single battery charge with 2x DCB612 (12Ah) batteries.

As usual, runtime and snow throwing distance can vary depending on environmental conditions.

The kit comes with (2) 4Ah (20V Max 12Ah equivalent) batteries, and (2) DCB1104 single-port chargers.

Price: $999 + $99 shipping
ETA: September 2023

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Discussion

The cordless snow blower requires (2) batteries to operate, which is standard for most competitive cordless snow blowers currently on the market.

Dewalt equipped the cordless snow blower with premium features I haven’t seen in competing models in the same sub-$1000 price range.

The electric 2-way chute control feature in particular sounds interesting and potentially convenient. Having 3 power modes, with an eco mode, turbo mode (max), and balanced standard setting gives users the best of all worlds. I like the idea of this option.

The snow blower/thrower looks to have a very compact footprint, which makes it appeal to me even more.

This is a very exciting development, at least in my opinion.

It’s looking like Dewalt might beat both Makita and Milwaukee Tool to market in the cordless snow blower race. We know that Milwaukee has been working on one, and Makita tends to be highly focused on cordless outdoor power tools.

I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised, as Stanley Black & Decker, Dewalt’s parent company, owns a growing portfolio of outdoor power tool brands, such as Cub Cadet and Troy-Built.

The two-way electric chute controls and three power modes definitely have my attention.

New Makita 18V Battery Charger Won’t Replace Your Old One

Stuart — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 19:08:34 +0000

It looks like Makita has a new 18V cordless power tool battery charger, model DC18WC.

Makita is bundling this new DC18WC charger as part of their new 18V cordless hammer drill and impact driver combo kit, model XT296ST.

I’m not familiar with this charger, and so I tried to dig up some info.

Makita does not seem to mention the new charger in their product pages or advertisements, but the model number is clearly visible in images of the new combo kit

Before we talk about the new charger, let’s take a quick look at Makita’s usual 18V chargers. Shown here is Makita’s 18V rapid charger, model DC18RC.

The DC18RC is advertised as being able to recharge Makita’s 18V 5Ah battery in 45 minutes.

Next is the DC18SD, which is considered to be Makita’s “standard” charger. This charger is often included in Makita’s more value-oriented tool kits and combo kits.

For example, Makita’s value-priced 18V drill kit, which retails for $99 at the time of this posting (available at Amazon), comes with a 3Ah battery and the DC18SD charger.

The DC18SD can recharge a 5Ah battery in 110 minutes.

Makita USA doesn’t have a product page for this charger on their website (at least not that I could find), but its charging times can be found in their user manual.

Here is what Makita says on their product page and in marketing copy for their new XT296ST cordless power tool kit:

Makita 18V LXT Lithium-Ion Batteries have the fastest charge times in their categories, so they spend more time working and less time sitting on the charger.

They also say:

The Kit includes two fast-charging 18V LXT 5.0Ah batteries

With that in mind, I thought that this was a new and more compact rapid charger. It’s not, or at least it doesn’t appear to be.

It wasn’t easy to find specs or charging times for this new Makita DC18WC charger.

I found one listing on Amazon UK, where it is described as an economy and compact charger. In the product details, it says that it takes 135 minutes to charge a 5Ah battery.

Amazon listings don’t always have accurate specs, so I looked around a bit more.

I found a user manual for the DC18WC charger online – but not on Makita’s website – and found this chart. I cropped out the 14.4V charging times.

According to this, the charger does appear to take 135 minutes to fully charge a 5Ah battery.

If this is accurate, here are the 5Ah battery charging times for the three models:

DC18RC: 45 minutes (0.75 hour)
DC18SD: 110 minutes (1.83 hours)
DC18WC: 135 minutes (2.25 hours)

What’s the point of Makita advertising that their new tool kit comes with fast-charging batteries, if they aren’t disclosing that each battery takes 2 hours and 15 minutes to recharge with the included charger?

We don’t always see eye to eye, but Makita USA’s communication manager made a good point. This is what they once told me in an email conversation, with the emphasis my own:

Based on what we see and hear on jobsites across America, a power tool battery that won’t charge in the time of a typical lunch break is not acceptable, even if it does deliver longer run time. The most expensive asset on a jobsite is labor, and that’s why Makita batteries are engineered to spend more time working and less time sitting on the charger.

If the retail listing and online manual I found for the DC18WC are accurate – and they do look to be – is 135 minutes an acceptable amount of time for a battery to be sitting on a charger?

According to the specs I found, it takes the DC18WC charger 2 hours and 15 minutes to charge just one of the 18V 5Ah batteries in this kit. The rapid charger can charge three of the same batteries in this time.

Makita Australia DLX2506T 2pc Combo Kit

International versions of the 2pc combo kit are bundled with a rapid charger. So why is Makita USA bundling their kit with this new slower charger?

Even if Makita didn’t bundle the new XT296ST kit with their typical rapid charger, why not at least the “standard” DC18SD charger that is often included with the brand’s seasonal promotionally-priced 18V power tool kits and combo kits?

135 minutes to recharge a 5Ah battery? “A power tool battery that won’t charge in the time of a typical lunch break is not acceptable.”

Makita’s fast battery charging speeds have always been a big selling point. I can understand a slower charger being included with $99 drill and impact driver kits, or 5 and 6 piece combo kits that are promotionally priced at $299.

New isn’t always better.

I hope this doesn’t become a trend.

Makita USA raised their prices (except for certain SKUs) in April 2022, October 2022, and again in May 2023. If the new charger is a cost-cutting measure, I’d rather see another price increase.

I suppose this helps explain why the drill-only kit is priced at $359 – with a rapid charger – and this 2pc kit is priced lower at $339.

Funky Retail Price Math – Makita 18V Cordless Drill Edition

Stuart — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 11:00:00 +0000

It’s time for another round of example of funky retail price math, this time featuring the new Makita 18V cordless hammer drill.

I recently posted about the drill’s seemingly inflated torque claims, but here we’re just talking about tool pricing.

The new Makita XPH16T 18V cordless hammer drill kit seems a bit pricey at $359.

This kit comes with the drill/driver, 2x 5Ah batteries, and a tool bag.

The screenshot is from Tool Nut. Acme Tools has the same price, and I saw the same at other authorized dealers.

The new hammer drill is also bundled in a 2pc cordless combo kit. This XT296ST kit comes with the same XPH16 hammer drill, an XDT14 impact driver, 2x 5Ah batteries, charger, and tool bag.

The XDT14 launched at least 5 years ago – I referenced it in a 2018 post – and I found mentions of it in emails dating back to 2016.

It’s a bit strange for a brand new hammer drill to be paired with an older impact driver like this one.

The price for this 2pc combo kit is $339. Again, the same price is found at multiple authorized Makita tool dealers.

The drill kit is $359. Add in an impact driver and… the price goes down by $20?

At these retail prices, they’re basically paying you $20 to take the impact driver. Even if you don’t need it, $339 is lower than $359.

I’m not saying that this is a good price – $339 still seem high for what you’re getting.

At the time of this posting, Milwaukee’s M18 Fuel hammer drill and impact driver combo kit is $379 at Home Depot, plus you get a bonus battery. Both tools greatly outclass the ones in this Makita combo kit. Earlier this week, the Milwaukee combo kit was $349 for the two tools, 2x 5Ah batteries, charger, tool case, and a bonus battery.

$339 seems like a lot for a kit with a compact hammer drill and several year old impact driver.

Is the drill-only kit priced at $359 to make this combo kit seem like a great price at $339?

Actually, that makes sense. I wanted to try the Makita XGT cordless impact driver, and the way things worked out, I saved a lot of money by getting the combo kit with the hammer drill rather than just the impact driver in a kit, plus I got an extra bonus battery too. That was a few months ago, before the last price increase.

Maybe these kits will be discounted in a couple of months for the winter holiday shopping season, but it’s too soon to tell.

Purchase Links

Buy the Combo Kit at Tool Nut
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Buy the Combo Kit at Amazon

New Makita Cordless Drill Torque Claims Raise Major Questions

Stuart — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 01:13:23 +0000

Makita USA launched a new 18V cordless hammer drill, model XPH16, and its lack of a side handle led me to question its advertised torque claims.

Makita says their new 18V LXT cordless drill delivers “a full 970 in-lbs max torque.”

The company also says that the XPH16 hammer drill delivers “up to 70% more power than the previous model.”

If this new 18V cordless delivers close to a thousand inch pounds of maximum torque, where’s the auxiliary side handle? This seemingly simple question has significant implications.

Looking into the matter revealed unexplained discrepancies in Makita’s advertised torque specs.

Basically, it seems that the drill doesn’t come with a side handle because it doesn’t deliver anywhere close to 970 in-lbs of fastening torque.

Why a Missing Side Handle Raised Doubt

Any cordless drill with a torque-to-handle-length ratio above a certain value must ship with a longer side handle in order to meet UL safety guidelines. Lower-torque drills don’t require a side handle.

The new Makita XPH16 18V hammer drill doesn’t ship with a side handle.

I reviewed a Ridgid 18V cordless drill (model R86116) a few years ago, and it was advertised as delivering 750 in-lbs of max torque.

If that 18V drill, with its 750 in-lbs max torque claims, shipped with a side handle, why doesn’t this new Makita drill come with one?

How can this new Makita drill deliver close to 1000 in-lbs of max torque and not ship with a side handle?

Possible Explanations

Does it have an extended-length handle such that a longer side handle isn’t needed?

This is the Makita XGT compact cordless drill, with a 585 in-lb max torque rating. Most of Makita’s 18V and 18V-form factor XGT cordless drills and hammer drills have similar handle grip proportions.

Here is the new XPH16 hammer drill, which is advertised as delivering 970 in-lbs max torque. Its handle grip does not look to be noticeably longer – it looks like a typical Makita cordless drill.

Did UL change their safety guidelines? I could not find any evidence of this. Even if there was a change, safety guidelines are usually expanded over time, and not relaxed.

Is Makita finally bring anti-kickback safety mechanisms to the 18V LXT line? No, it seems they’re still keeping that feature exclusive to the premium XGT model drill. Would it have made a difference?

As the drill doesn’t ship with a side handle, and I can’t think of a reasonable explanation as to why, we need to take a closer look at Makita’s torque specs.

Understanding Max Torque Specifications

When you see the phrase maximum torque in a cordless drill’s marketing materials, the value typically refers to the tool’s maximum hard-joint tightening torque. Until now, I had long-considered this to be a universal rule.

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Torque Primer – Click to Expand

Examining Makita’s Torque Specs

Let’s take a look at the torque specs for a couple of Makita cordless drills and hammer drills. These specs were sourced from Makita Australia’s product pages for drills with identical designs, features, and max torque values as models marketed in the USA under different model numbers.

Makita 18V SubCompact Drill Torque Specs

Makita’s 18V SubCompact cordless drill delivers 40 Nm max lock torque, 40 Nm max hard torque, and 25 Nm max soft torque.

Nm refers to Newton meters, a metric system measure of torque. 1 Nm is equal to around 8.85 inch-pounds. Lock torque seems to be akin to “stall” torque, which usually isn’t used to describe cordless drill performance.

The US model is advertised as delivering 350 in-lbs/40 Nm max torque.

Makita 18V Hammer Drill Torque Specs (Previous Model)

Makita’s 18V brushless compact hammer drill delivers a maximum lock torque of 60 Nm (~531 in-lbs) and maximum hard tightening torque of 54 Nm (~478 in-lbs).

There’s a small unexpected discrepancy here, where the advertised max torque is 11.1% higher than the drill’s max tightening torque.

The USA model, XPH12, is advertised as delivering 530 in-lbs max torque, or 60 Nm. Makita USA does not reference the drill’s maximum fastening torque in any product brochures or specs tables.

This is the “previous model” drill that Makita compares the new one to, with their “up to 70% more power” claims.

Makita 18V High Torque Hammer Drill Torque Specs

For Makita’s flagship 18V LXT brushless drill, the max lock torque is listed as 125 Nm, and the max hard joint tightening torque is 130 Nm.

The drill is advertised as delivering 141 Nm of peak torque, or 1248 in-lbs. This value is 8.46% higher than the drill’s max fastening torque.

Makita USA advertises this model as delivering 1250 in-lbs max torque, which corresponds to the 141 Nm peak torque value.

It’s unclear why there are 3 different values. The max tightening torque is 130 Nm, the max lock torque is 125 Nm, and the peak torque is 141 Nm?

Makita new Zealand’s product spec sheet lists the 18V hammer drill as delivering 125 Nm max fastening torque, and 141 Nm peak torque. Makita UK lists the same hammer drill as delivering 130 Nm max hard fastening torque, the same as given in Makita AUS’s spec sheet.

I use the higher of the two values, 130 Nm, in the chart below, as the maximum tightening torque.

Makita XGT High Torque Drill Torque Specs

Makita’s higher performance XGT 36V/40V Max cordless hammer drill is advertised as delivering 125 Nm max lock torque, 141 Nm max peak torque, 140 Nm max hard torque, and 68 Nm max soft torque.

Here in the USA, the XGT cordless drill is advertised as delivering 1250 in-lbs torque, which correlates to the 141 Nm peak torque value.

The peak torque value is 0.714% higher than the max tightening torque – that’s very close agreement.

A discrepancy was made apparent.

Makita’s 18V and XGT flagship cordless hammer drills are both advertised as delivering 141 Nm of peak torque. However, the XGT model is said to deliver 140 Nm max tightening torque while the 18V drill delivers 125 or 130 Nm max tightening torque (depending on the publication source).

Looking at Makita Canada’s listings, the equivalent XGT hammer drill is advertised as delivering 1240 in-lbs (140 Nm) max torque, and the equivalent 18V hammer drill is advertised as delivering 1150 in-lbs (130 Nm) max torque. There, neither drill is advertised according to the 1250 in-lbs (141 Nm) peak torque values that Makita USA advertises for both drills.

This is confusing. So do the 18V and XGT cordless drills deliver the same max torque, or not? Makita USA’s torque claims would suggest yes, but the spec tables in other regions suggest no.

Makita 18V Hammer Drill Torque Specs (New Model)

For the new international model drill that’s equivalent to the Makita USA model XPH16 drill, Makita advertises 110 Nm peak torque, 73 Nm max hard-joint tightening torque, and 40 Nm max soft-joint tightening torque.

110 Nm converts to 973.6 in-lbs, and 73 Nm converts to around 646 in-lbs. That’s a significant difference.

Makita UK lists the same specs – 73 Nm and 40 Nm max hard and soft joint fastening torque, respectively.

The USA model is only advertised by its 970 in-lbs (110 Nm) max torque value.

Going by these figures, Makita advertises their new cordless hammer drill as delivering “a full 970 in-lbs max torque” but it seems it can only deliver up to 646 in-lbs of max tightening torque.

It seems that this is why the drill doesn’t ship with an auxiliary side handle, because it doesn’t deliver “a full 970 in-lbs” of max fastening torque.

If the maximum fastening torque is 73 Nm, or around 646 in-lbs, how can it be advertised as delivering 970 in-lbs of max torque?

If I’m understanding all of this correctly, it would mean that, with this new 18V cordless drill, Makita’s advertised “max torque” spec of 970 in-lbs is around 50.7% higher than its maximum fastening torque value.

It had been my understanding that cordless drill torque values correlate to their maximum fastening or tightening torque. It is highly surprising that Makita would deviate from this.

Some of Makita’s other cordless drills also have advertised max torque values that are higher than their max fastening torque specs, but with far smaller differences.

Torque Comparison Charts

This chart shows the differences between max tightening and advertised max torque specs for the models of Makita cordless drills and hammer drills discussed above.

For the newest model cordless drill, there is a massive step between its max tightening torque, and the max torque Makita USA is advertising for it.

Between Makita’s latest and previous 18V brushless hammer drills, the difference between their max fastening torques of ~646 in-lbs (73 Nm) and ~478 in-lbs (54 Nm) is around 35%. The difference between their “max torque” values of 970 in-lbs (110 Nm) and 530 in-lbs (60 Nm) is around 83%.

It’s worth mentioning that the max low speed for the new model is 10% higher than for the previous model (550 vs 500 RPM), but the max high speed is 10% lower (1800 vs 2000 RPM).

The difference between Makita’s 18V and XGT cordless drill torque specs is also curious. The advertised “max torque” value are the same, but the 18V model has a lower max fastening torque.

I posted about this separately, here: Makita 18V and XGT Cordless Drills Do NOT Have the Same Torque.

Why is this a Big Deal?

Let’s say you’re shopping for cordless drills. One brand advertises their drill as delivering 970 in-lbs max torque, but it delivers ~646 in-lbs max fastening torque.

A competing brand advertises their product as delivering 850 in-lbs max torque, and this is based on its measured max fastening torque, which is what I would expect.

Which drill is more capable or potentially more powerful? If you go by what it says on the box, the 970 in-lbs has the higher torque spec. But if you go by max fastening torque, the 850 in-lbs model would outperform the 970 in-lbs model.

How can tool buyers be expected to make informed decisions if one brand highlights their “max peak torque” while another uses an an opaque max fastening torque?

This doesn’t just affect competitive comparisons.

Makita’s 18V SubCompact drill is advertised as delivering 350 in-lbs max torque. For that model, the max fastening torque and max lock torque are the same.

So does this new model deliver 2.77X the torque compared the SubCompact model, or 1.85X the torque?

Does the new drill deliver 83% greater torque than Makita’s previous model, or 35% greater torque?

What happens if competing brands loses sales to Makita over this? Will some of them start advertising based on metrics other than maximum fastening torque? Are they doing it already and Makita is simply following other brands’ examples?

Why is there a less than 1% difference between the max fastening and advertised torques for Makita’s flagship XGT cordless drill, and a nearly 51% difference for this new 18V model?

Is this all because bigger numbers sell more tools? I wouldn’t think so, or at least I would hope not.

I sincerely hope that Makita can explain what’s going on here.

Makita USA has not answered any of our questions about the matter.

Makita 18V and XGT Cordless Drills Do NOT Have the Same Torque

Stuart — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:36:51 +0000

When I conducted a specs comparison between Makita’s XGT and 18V LXT cordless hammer drill and impact driver combo kit two years ago, I missed something.

In that post, I reported:

Both 18V and XGT drills are said to deliver the same 1,250 in-lbs of max torque.

This is true. Makita USA does advertise both the XPH14 18V hammer drill and GFD01 XGT hammer drill as delivering 1,250 in-lbs max torque.

I also wrote:

The 18V and XGT hammer drills have the same max torque

However, as I recently learned, this does not appear to be true.

It has come to my attention that the two drills deliver different max fastening torque specs.

Power tool brands typically advertise their cordless drills according to max fastening torque, or at least this has been my long-time understanding.

Makita, however, seems to be advertising these two drills using a different “peak torque” measurement.

Here are more detailed torque figures for Makita’s flagship model 18V LXT and XGT cordless hammer drills, according to international brochures and specs tables:

	Makita 18V	Makita XGT
Peak Torque	141 Nm 1250 in-lbs	141 Nm 1250 in-lbs
Max Tightening Torque	130 Nm 1150 in-lbs	140 Nm 1240 in-lbs

I have seen the 18V LXT model’s max fastening torque listed at a lower value of 125 Nm in some of Makita’s product pages, but for the sake of this post we’ll use the higher value of 130 Nm.

This chart compares the max tightening torque and advertised max torque for Makita’s highest torque 18V and XGT cordless hammer drills.

Maximum fastening torque is usually measured using battery-powered drills and rundown adapters that simulate different types of fastening joints.

How is this other “peak” torque metric determined, if not by maximum fastening torque?

Why are both drills advertised here as delivering 1,250 in-lbs of max torque when different values are advertised elsewhere?

Makita Canada, for example, advertises their 18V hammer drill as delivering 1,150 in-lbs (130 Nm) max torque, and their XGT hammer drill as delivering 1,240 in-lbs (140 Nm) max torque. This agrees with specs tables from other international regions where Makita lists these same maximum fastening torque values alongside “peak” torque values of 141 Nm, (1,250 in-lbs).

To sum things up, here in the USA, Makita advertises their flagship 18V and XGT hammer drills as delivering 1,250 in-lbs max torque. But when you look at the more detailed torque specs that Makita advertises in other markets for the equivalent international model drills, the 18V LXT model has a lower max fastening torque than the XGT model.

Advertised torque specs of 1,250 in-lbs for both models suggest comparable if not identical torque capabilities. But outside of Makita USA’s product literature, this is shown to not be true, as the maximum fastening torque values are different.

The XGT drill’s max fastening torque spec (140 Nm/1,240 in-lbs) is very close to its advertised peak torque value (141 Nm/1,250 in-lbs). However, the 18V LXT drill’s max fastening torque spec (130 Nm/1150 in-lbs) is quite a bit off from its advertised peak torque value (141 Nm/1,250 in-lbs).

Why?

New Milwaukee M18 Fuel Straight Finish Nailer (Gen 2)

Stuart — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:10:40 +0000

Milwaukee is soon launching a new M18 Fuel cordless 16 gauge straight finish nailer, model 3020.

The new Milwaukee cordless finish nailer joins the brand’s M18 Fuel 15 gauge and 16 gauge angled finish nailers, which launched in early 2022.

Milwaukee says that they “redesigned the nailer from the ground up, giving carpenters and remodelers the power, performance, and runtime they need.”

This is not Milwaukee’s first cordless 16 Gauge straight finish nailer; the 2741 launched in 2016.

Advertised as having a zero ramp-up time, the new nailer is ready to drive nails without delay. There’s no delay between pulling the trigger and the nail firing, giving users “a pneumatic fire rate without the hassles of an air hose.”

As with Milwaukee’s other M18 Fuel cordless nailers, this one does not require any gas cartridges to operate, and no maintenance is required.

Features include a built-in nitrogen air spring mechanism, tool-free depth adjustment, sequential and bump-fire actuation modes, LED work light, tool-free jam clearing latch, dry fire lockout, reversible belt hook, and spare tip storage built into the magazine.

The nailer is compatible with all 16GA straight finish nails 1 – 2-1/2″ long.

Drives 16GA straight finish nails
1-2.5″ nail capacity
Brushless motor
LED work light
110 nail magazine capacity
12.9″ L x 11.7″ x 5″ wide (tool-only)
Weighs 6.2 lbs (tool-only)

Price: $329 (tool-only, 3020-20)
ETA: August 2023

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Best Cordless Power Tool Brands (2023)

Stuart — Thu, 20 Jul 2023 00:12:00 +0000

Which is the BEST cordless power tool brand? Dewalt? Milwaukee? Ryobi? This seems like a simple question, but the answer isn’t.

I last attempted to tackle this question in early 2021, and there have been enough developments and changes in the 2-1/2 years since then to justify an update.

Here is the question that started it all:

If you had to stick to one brand for most of your tools which would it be? Taking into consideration tool reliability, power, ergonomics, batteries and number of cordless tools.

Just one brand?! Dewalt. Wait, no – Milwaukee. Metabo HPT?

Most cordless power tool brands have their distinct innovations and selling points, and tool brands continuously and fiercely compete for a spot in your tool box.

Whether the question is about the best cordless power tool brand overall, or even which one brand I would stick with, the answer depends on the user.

Are you an electrician? Plumber? Carpenter? Deck builder? DIYer? Every user’s needs are different, and there’s really no singular best brand overall.

The real question to answer is this one – which is the best cordless tool brand for you?

Instead of simply answering the title question, I will offer my opinions on each particular tool brand to help you make your own determinations.

As always, readers’ opinions are extremely valuable. What would you say to anyone looking to buy into a cordless power tool system?

The brands below are listed in alphabetical order.

Bosch
Craftsman
Dewalt
Festool
Flex
Hart
Hercules
Hilti
Kobalt
Makita
Metabo
Metabo HPT
Milwaukee
Porter Cable
Ridgid
Ryobi
Skil

Bosch

Benefits: Good performance and reliability.

Downsides: Historically, Bosch has not kept up with competitors in the USA, and some innovations are released here later than in Europe or not at all.

What I Said in 2021: Bosch makes some spectacular tools. Looking at the greater picture, their 12V and 18V platforms aren’t as compelling as competing platforms. While I was impressed with some of their past releases, there are fewer reasons to buy into either of Bosch’s cordless power tool systems today.

What’s Changed? Bosch recently launched AmpShare, where their 18V battery will soon power a range of tools from numerous partnered brands. They have been releasing new tools at a faster pace, and also seem to have abandoned the somewhat silly names given to certain tools, such as “the Freak.”

Bosch still has holes in their cordless lineup, but they’ve been filling some of the more glaring ones. I anticipate that AmpShare will greatly help with this.

Related Tool News: Bosch 12V Max Tools, Bosch 18V Tools

Craftsman

Benefits: Affordable price points for DIYers.

Downsides: Limited selection.

What I Said in 2021: Craftsman has been slow to expand their V20/20V Max cordless power tool lineup, but there are some interesting entries, such as a cordless air compressor.

What’s Changed? Craftsman has steadily been expanding their line of V20 cordless power tools, but still not at anywhere close to the pace of their top competitor. Their Brushless RP tools offer higher performance.

See More: Craftsman V20 Cordless Power Tool News

Dewalt

Benefits: Excellent tools, expansive selection, comfortable ergonomics, great reliability. Dewalt has been continually expanding their 20V Max cordless power tool lineup, as well as their FlexVolt lineup, and they have also been actively expanding their 12V Max Xtreme Subcompact line.

Downsides: Sorting through some of their core options can be a little confusing. For instance, you can now choose between 20V Max brushless, 20V Max Power Detect, FlexVolt 60V Max, and 20V Max FlexVolt advantage saws.

What I Said in 2021: Dewalt continues to have a lot of “firsts.” They’re no longer playing catch-up and are once again pushing boundaries.

Quite simply put, you cannot go wrong with Dewalt cordless power tools. Dewalt’s cordless platforms continue to have a lot of strengths, and few weaknesses.

If I had to choose a “Best Cordless Power Tool Brand Overall” winner, Dewalt would face off against Milwaukee in a battle too close to easily call.

What’s Changed? Dewalt has entered the automotive tool market with new ratchets, and recently launched new rivet tools. They’ve been filling noticeable holes. Dewalt’s PowerStack batteries provide numerous benefits over older technologies.

Notable Products: Power Detect and FlexVolt Advantage lines bridge the gap between 20V Max and FlexVolt 60V Max platforms. Even so, FlexVolt still provides a power benefit that most other 18V/20V Max systems struggle to match.

Related Tool News: Dewalt 12V Max, Dewalt 20V Max, Dewalt FlexVolt

Festool

Benefits: Unique tools, such as hybrid corded-cordless sanders, good quality, brand reputation.

Downsides: Very limited product selection, very high pricing.

What I Said in 2021: If you want a Festool power tool, and you want it to be cordless, you have some options. Festool made a push in 2020 to consolidate some of their cordless power tools into combo kits aimed at contractors and remodelers.

Festool’s cordless platforms are limited, presumably because they are more of a finish and fine work brand. The brand is not focused on the broader needs of users involved in construction or the trades.

Additionally, Festool’s high pricing can make the tools inaccessible to many individual users.

What’s Changed? Festool has made some questionable design choices, such as launching a cordless dust collector vacuum that can only be used with smaller low capacity batteries. There’s also a new cordless reciprocating saw, which fills a hole in their cordless lineup, but doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of the brand’s core competency – fine finishing tools.

See More: Festool 18V Tool News

Flex

Benefits: Competitive performance (at least), next-gen Stacked Lithium batteries, numerous innovations and tools with distinct user benefits.

Downsides: As a relatively new brand, Flex is going to be playing catch-up for a few years, in terms of product selection and market share. Their 24V battery is going to be slightly larger than 18V batteries, but not without positive traits (such as in power delivery).

Overall: Flex has expanded their line of 24V Max brushless cordless power tools at a rapid pace. The brand recently launched new compact core tools, and a strong selection of specialty tools, such as a cordless router, sander, and band saws.

Flex aspires to be a major player in the professional cordless power tool industry, and so far it seems they’re doing everything right to get there.

Hart

What I Said in 2021: Hart is a Walmart-exclusive brand that offers entry-priced cordless power tools that are similar to Ryobi’s most basic offerings. If you’re shopping for the lowest cost cordless power tools on the market, I’d go with Hart (or any of these other brands) over the no-name stuff on Amazon and other online marketplaces.

What’s Changed? Hart doesn’t share product news, but it looks like they added a couple of new tools since I last checked. Hart still looks to be an entry-level cordless brand aimed at beginners or Walmart shoppers buying on impulse.

Hercules (Harbor Freight)

Benefits: Better cordless tools for Harbor Freight shoppers.

Downsides: Limited selection, young brand reputation, still Harbor Freight.

What I Said in 2021: Harbor Freight launched the Hercules cordless power tool platforms with name-brand competitors in sight. I purchased earlier samples, and while respectable, the tools lacked the fit and finish I would expect from true professional-grade cordless power tool brands.

Harbor Freight and their Hercules line have potential, but it seems they are still striving to make cheaper tools. With new brushless tools on the way, it’s possible they are trying to walk down a different path, at least as far as the Hercules lines are concerned.

Harbor Freight has the potential to disrupt the core cordless power tools market, but they still have to prove they can deliver quality.

What’s Changed? Harbor Freight has been steadily expanding their Hercules lineup of “professional” tools. The quality seems to have improved – from pretty good to almost great – and the tools now boast a 5 year limited warranty.

Harbor Freight has been bouncing between different marketing strategies, and with the latest changes they’ve been following examples set by major industry players.

The tools are not quite on even ground with those from the tool brands Harbor Freight claims Hercules compares to, but they are inching closer.

See More: Harbor Freight Hercules Tool News

Hilti

Benefits: Strong reputation, gimmick-free solutions.

Downsides: Limited retail availability, limited tool selection, high prices.

What I Said in 2021: Hilti tends to target commercial users, rather than individuals. They have a strong focus on masonry tools, but also some exceptionally capable tools for working with wood, metal, and other common construction and fabrication materials.

What’s Changed? Hilti launched Nuron, a new line of 22V cordless power tools. While not as comprehensive as competing professional tool brands’ lineups, Hilti quickly converted over dozens of tools from the outgoing tool system. There are still a lot of holes that need to be filled.

Hilti still needs to do a better job at appealing to individual tool users.

Kobalt

Benefits: Brushless motors, inexpensive pricing on spare/replacement batteries.

Downsides: Limited selection.

What I Said in 2021: Lowe’s Kobalt 24V max cordless power tool platform focuses on brushless-motor tools, and with reasonable and competitive pricing.

There’s not much compromise when it comes to performance, and the newer XTR tools take things to another level with respect to power and features.

What’s Changed? Kobalt launched all-new core cordless power tools. They seemed to have all but dropped the XTR performance line of tools, except during holiday shopping seasons when the combos make a quick reappearance.

Lowe’s never seems to have a clear direction in mind for their exclusive tool brand.

See More: Kobalt 24V Max Cordless Power Tools

Makita

Benefits: Broad 18V cordless power tool system.

Downsides: Makita has been slow to adapt to industry trends, and certain product categories are difficult to sort out with an excessive number of options. The 18V line hasn’t kept up with competing tool systems, and the new XGT line is very limited and expensive. Their revamped 12V Max cordless system has been stagnant.

What I Said in 2021: Some of Makita’s 18V LXT cordless tools are competitive, but the system has hit its limits. The new Makita XGT 40V Max platform is due to launch in the USA at some point, but the new system is not backwards compatible with their 18V cordless system.

What’s Changed? Makita has finally brought a couple of tools from the XGT line to the LXT line, but many premium features remain XGT exclusives, such as cordless drill anti-kickback tech.

Makita launched Outdoor Adventure in the USA, a new line of existing 18V tools but in an olive green color.

They have two main cordless systems – 18V LXT and 36V/40V Max XGT, and aren’t throwing their full weight behind either one.

Makita USA recently cut jobs company-wide, following their third price increase in just over a year.

Related Tool News: Makita 12V, Makita 18V, Makita 18V X2, Makita XGT 40V

Metabo

Benefits: Great quality, performance, and reliability, and a strong reputation. Metabo offers more specialty tools that cater to fabrication and metalworking industries.

Downsides: Limited selection, less market availability and visibility compared to other pro-grade brands,

What I Said in 2021: Metabo has a lot of great cordless power tools, and has been expanding steadily. Its 18V cordless platform is more expansive in Europe, but an increasing number of tools have launched in the USA as well.

Metabo has embarked on a mission towards enabling a truly cordless jobsite, and each year they move closer and closer to that goal.

What’s Changed? Metabo used to do their part in driving the industry forward, but lately it seems like they’ve been falling behind. Where’s the cordless table saw, dust collection systems, air compressor, or other tools needed for the “cordless jobsite” they talked so much about over the years?

Related Tool News: Metabo 18V, Metabo 12V

Metabo HPT (Formerly Hitachi Power Tools)

Benefits: Metabo HPT offers many excellent-quality 18V and MultiVolt cordless power tools, and occasionally innovates with unique offerings.

Downsides: Limited selection, Hitachi to Metabo HPT name-change has resulted in quite a bit of confusion. There’s added confusion between Metabo HPT and Metabo, as there is zero compatibility between the two brands’ cordless platforms.

What I Said in 2021: As a system, Metabo HPT offers a much smaller selection of cordless power tools than other brands. They have quite a few competitive and compelling tools, making the brand a potentially good choice if their strengths align with particular user needs and wants.

What’s Changed? Metabo HPT has been releasing new tools at a steady pace. Their MultiVolt cordless platform is excellent, and remains a very competitive choice. The brand needs greater market visibility; select tools are available at Lowe’s, but the retailer has done little to promote the brand or drive consumer awareness.

Notable Products: Metabo HPT’s 18V Triple Hammer impact driver remains a personal favorite.

Related Tool News: Metabo HPT, Hitachi Power Tools

Milwaukee

Benefits: Great quality, reliability, and performance. Fantastic M18 (18V/20V-class) cordless power tool system and unmatched M12 (12V-class) tool selection. Milwaukee Tool is a very active innovator.

Downsides: M12 tools have a stem-style battery that inserts into the hand grip, resulting in a chunkier grip than some other brands can accomplish with slide-style batteries.

What I Said in 2021: Milwaukee seeks to be a “solutions provider,” and they charge into new markets with a disruptive ferocity. Their philosophy for the M12 cordless system has been to provide user-friendly alternatives to hand tools, and their expanding M18 system offers all the core tools pros and demanding users might need, plus many trade-specific options.

Milwaukee Tool cordless power tools can carry premium pricing, but they regularly offer very aggressive promotions in the form of free tool or battery bonus bundles.

While not the market-leader in every category, Milwaukee is an easy recommendation. Quite simply put, you can’t go wrong with Milwaukee cordless power tools.

If I absolutely had to choose a “Best Cordless Power Tool Brand Overall” winner, Milwaukee would face off against Dewalt in a battle too close to easily call.

What’s Changed? Milwaukee has continued to innovate and push forward in recent years. I expect to see the brand shake up the entire industry once they launch – and heavily advertise – next-gen power tool batteries built with pouch-style Li-ion cells.

The MX Fuel line of cordless equipment redefined what can be powered with a cordless battery, and still holds untapped potential.

Notable Products: Milwaukee’s M12 Fuel and M18 Fuel brushless power tools are often considered the gold standard.

Related Tool News: Milwaukee M12, Milwaukee M18, Milwaukee MX Fuel

Porter Cable

Benefits: None.

Downsides: Limited selection, limited availability.

What I Said in 2021: Porter Cable was effectively pushed out of Lowe’s when Craftsman (also a Stanley Black & Decker brand) came along, and out of Walmart after TTI launched their exclusive Hart tool brand there.

Porter Cable announced a new partnership with Tractor Supply in late-2021. No new tools or developments have been announced since then.

The brand doesn’t appear to be investing any time, effort, or resources into their cordless platform.

What’s Changed? Nothing.

Ridgid

Benefits: Ridgid has a strong selection of core 18V cordless power tools, and some unique and innovative tools sprinkled in. The brand offers a good balance between performance and price.

The Limited Lifetime Service Agreement covers parts, service, and batteries – with some restrictions.

Downsides: Smaller selection of 18V tools compared to other brands, 12V system has been abandoned (although you can still buy replacement batteries or chargers).

What I Said in 2021: Ridgid is a good brand and they have continued to expand and enhance their 18V cordless power tool system over the years. Some of their tools offer innovations not found in other cordless systems, giving some users reason to choose Ridgid as their primary or secondary brand.

What’s Changed? Ridgid has continued to launch new 18V cordless power tools. They haven’t been as innovative as in recent years, but are still going strong. Ridgid’s 18V line continues to be exclusive to Home Depot.

See More: Ridgid 18V Cordless System Tool News

Ryobi

Benefits: Ryobi’s 18V One+ platform is huge, and satisfies a broad range of user needs, from beginner DIYer to value-minded pros.

Downsides: Ryobi’s commitment to DIYer users (a great thing) also means they haven’t updated their battery system to a slide-style form factor yet. Lower-priced tools have compromised features or performance.

What I Said in 2021: Ryobi is a very customer-centric brand that is well-liked and well-regarded among their many loyal DIYer users. Some pros will use certain Ryobi tools as well, especially for specialty tasks where a tool might not see frequent use.

What’s Changed? Ryobi has expanded their line of compact brushless 18V One+ HP tools, and added new home, hobby, and lifestyle tools, including from a new USB Lithium line of 4V-class tools and accessories.

Ryobi tools remains exclusive to Home Depot.

See More: Ryobi 18V One+ Tool News

Skil

Benefits: Skil’s new cordless power tool platforms offer very high bang for the buck – competitive performance and above-average features for what you pay.

Downsides: Limited selection.

What I Said in 2021: Under new ownership, Skil has refreshed their branding and launched all-new cordless power tool lineups. They’re definitely worth a chance for DIYers looking to get modern features at affordable pricing.

What’s Changed? Skil has launched more tools and updated their core 12V and 20V class offerings. They have also expanded their cordless outdoor power tool offerings. With respect to core offerings – drills, drivers, and saws – Skil tools in many cases outperform competing products while also being more affordable.

Skil is definitely worth paying attention to.

Related Tool News: Skil 12V Max, Skil 20V Max

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Reader Recommendations

Which cordless power tool lineup(s) did you go with? What would you recommend to someone looking to buy into a new cordless power tool system?

Comparing Milwaukee’s M18 Fuel Hammer Drill to its Predecessors

Stuart — Sat, 08 Jul 2023 23:58:19 +0000

How have Milwaukee’s M18 Fuel cordless hammer drills changed over the years? Is the latest model a big upgrade? Let’s take a look.

In a recent post, I compared all of Milwaukee’s M12 and M18 cordless drills, or at least all of the current and upcoming models.

A reader gave me the idea of comparing just the M18 Fuel hammer drills, to potentially help anyone looking to upgrade from an older model.

In a comment, JR Ramos wrote:

I am generally upgrading from an older tool/broken-stolen tool which is usually a previous generation of some flavor. In this instance, if I want to use your charts, I can’t see anything about Fuel Gen 2 vs Gen 3 vs Gen 4 so I have to go snoop listed specs and reviews anyway.

That’s a good point. So, let’s compare all of the four generations of Milwaukee M18 Fuel cordless hammer drills.

Milwaukee also has cordless drill/driver models that share almost all of the same features and specs as the hammer drills. But, as the hammer drills are significantly more popular, that’s what we’ll focus on here, for simplicity. Most of the same features and specs carry over to the non-hammer model M18 Fuel drills, but not all, such as the lengths from the back of the motor to the front of the chuck.

In the last 11 years, Milwaukee has launched 4 generations of M18 Fuel hammer drills.

Milwaukee launched their first M18 Fuel hammer drill in 2012. This and the corresponding drill/driver were Milwaukee’s first M18 Fuel cordless power tools, and their first tools to be engineered with brushless motors.

Upgraded models launched every 3-4 years since then, each with generational improvements in either features, performance, size, or a combination of factors.

Model	2604	2704	2804	2904
Line	M18 FUEL	M18 FUEL	M18 FUEL	M18 FUEL
Generation	1st	2nd	3rd	4th
Brushless	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Torque (in-lbs)	725	1200	1200	1400
Speed (RPM)	0-550 0-1850	0-550 0-2000	0-550 0-2000	0-500 0-2100
Length	8.1″	7.75″	6.9″	6.9″
Weight (lbs)		3.5	3.2	3.3
Chuck	1/2	1/2	1/2	1/2
BPM	31,450	32,000	32,000	33,000
AutoStop	No	No*	No*	Yes
Launch Year	2012	2015	2018	2022

* The One-Key versions of these M18 Fuel hammer drills, models 2706 and 2806, offered customizable anti-kickback settings. The latest 2904 drill (and non-hammer 2903) is the first non-One-Key model to feature anti-kickback tech. The AutoStop feature is customizable in the latest model 2904 and 2906 (hammer) M18 Fuel drills with One-Key.

The AutoStop feature is designed to prevent over-rotation, such as when the drill binds up during an operation. When it senses a potential kickback event, the AutoStop tech turns off power to the motor to help protect the user.

Let’s start off by looking at the max torque and speeds. The latest generation M18 Fuel hammer drill, 2904, is Milwaukee’s most powerful and fastest to date.

Is it a significant upgrade? I think so.

As you might know, the lower speed range should be used for higher torque applications. The maximum (no-load) low speed setting has been reduced between 3rd and 4th generation drills, from 550 to 500 RPM, a difference of 10%. The maximum torque increased from 1200 to 1400 in-lbs, a difference of 16.7%. The maximum high speed has also increased from 2000 to 2100 RPM, a difference of 5%.

From my conversations with a Milwaukee product manager at last year’s media event, there are differences beyond what you can see in the technical specs. For the latest model, the tool’s endurance has been improved compared to previous models.

Basically, you can push it harder than you could with earlier models, without overheating the tool as easily or quickly. Can it still overheat? Probably, but I have not heard any complaints about this so far.

Here’s a look inside the latest generation M18 Fuel hammer drill (2904) and impact driver (2953).

Part of the greater endurance comes from improved thermal dissipation, with the internal heatsink over the electronics package having been completely redesigned.

The 4th generation model also has more ventilation holes around the motor housing. It seems logical that more airflow would mean greater cooling.

Additionally, Milwaukee went back to a mechanical clutch for the latest model. I have found cordless drills with adjustable mechanical clutches to provide more consistent and repeatable torque than those with electronic clutches, especially with smaller fasteners.

It’s okay to take a step backwards – I see this as an upgrade.

Milwaukee reduced the length of the M18 Fuel hammer drills for the first three generations, from 8.1 inches to 7.75 inches and then 6.9 inches.

While the 4th generation model isn’t any more compact than its direct predecessor, it does deliver higher torque and a faster top speed.

If you want a smaller or lighter drill, look at the new M18 compact brushless drills, or maybe the M12 line.

The 4th generation M18 Fuel hammer drill is a significant upgrade compared to 1st and 2nd generation models.

Compared to the 3rd generation model, the latest flagship drill can deliver more torque, higher maximum speed, has greater endurance, and in my opinion an improved chuck.

There are modest upgrades in what you can see in a list of technical specs, such as the max torque and high speed range, and significant differences in what you can’t – most notably the AutoStop anti-kickback tech, greater endurance, and return to a mechanical clutch.

I have tested all of the models, and really like the 4th generation hammer drill. I have mainly used it for drilling larger holes in wood, but have also it to drill in steel and packed soil, and drive fasteners. It delivers – in my opinion so far – a very polished user experience. I have zero complaints about its power, size, or comfort.

Milwaukee has upgraded their M18 Fuel hammer drill every 3 to 4 years since the first one launched in 2012. With that in mind, it might be late 2025 or maybe 2026 before we see the next iteration. Frankly, I can’t imagine what types of upgrades a 5th generation model could offer.

The 4th generation model, 2904, is as good as it gets.

Compared to the previous model, I think the newest Milwaukee M18 Fuel hammer drill is definitely a worthwhile upgrade. Hopefully I provided you with enough details to answer the question for yourself.

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Buy the Combo Kit at Home Depot

At the time of this posting, Home Depot has a very good deal bundle, where you get the hammer drill, 2x M18 Li-ion batteries, and a charger for $199 – the same price as for the tool-only option.

Best Milwaukee Cordless Drills & Comparisons (2023)

Stuart — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 11:00:00 +0000

Are you considering a new Milwaukee cordless drill? Hopefully we’ll make things clearer, and with as little fluff as possible.

While it is a bit easier to navigate Milwaukee’s selection of cordless drills than many other cordless power tool brands’, it can still be daunting for anyone who isn’t intimately familiar with all of the latest models.

Milwaukee has introduced 8 new models in the two years since I last wrote up a quick comparison, and so an update was due.

There are plenty of Milwaukee cordless drill buying guides out there, but I haven’t seen a single one that would actually help me if I were researching a purchase.

So, I’m approaching this post as if I were an end user looking to make sense of all of Milwaukee’s different cordless drill offerings for the first time.

After going over some comparisons and specs, I’ll offer my recommendations on the best Milwaukee cordless drills for different user requirements, or rather what I’d purchase for my own needs depending on what I’m looking for.

Please let me know if you feel there’s something missing that could help make this buying guide better, and also if you would like the same approach applied to different brands or types of tools.

Milwaukee Cordless Drill Torque and Speed Comparison Chart

Most tool users will start off their research by looking at a cordless drill’s maximum torque rating. The comparison chart above shows the maximum torque, and maximum no-load speeds.

All of Milwaukee’s M12 and M18 cordless drills have 2 speed settings – low and high – and I feel it’s important to see how torque and speed compare between various models.

How to Read the Graphs

In the graphs featured on this page, above and below, the vertical y-axis values on the left corresponds to the maximum torque values for Milwaukee’s different cordless drill models, and the values on the right correspond to the maximum speed range values.

If this is your first time seeing a two-axis chart, note that the scales are different. The vertical y-axis labels are also color-coded to help guide you.

Basically, compare red to red and blue to blue. The numbers for the torque specs are on the left, and speed specs on the right.

Model numbers and basic differentiating details are on the horizontal x-axis.

The First Two Decisions to Make

If you want the highest torque and performance possible, there’s one clear choice. If you’re looking for a cordless drill for light to mid duty use, that’s where you get a lot of overlapping options and tough decisions to make.

The first decision you need to make – or have already made – is whether you want an M18 cordless drill, or M12. The M18 drills are great choices for most users, and the M12 are great choices where tool size, weight, and cost are higher priorities over speed and power.

Milwaukee’s M18 cordless drills operate at 18V nominal voltage, and the M12 drills operate at 12V Max, or 10.8V nominal voltage, with the same being true for competing brands’ offerings.

Milwaukee M18 Cordless Drills

There are 7 models of M18 cordless drills, plus 2 more One-Key models (more on those below).

2606 – This brushed motor drill is most commonly available as part of high-value combo kits that are popular with DIYers, homeowners, and possibly tradespeople and pros on a very limited budget.

2607 – Although technically still available, the hammer drill version of the 2606 is increasingly rare to come across these days. I see no reason to discuss it further.

3601/3602 – Milwaukee recently announced these two new M18 compact brushless models, a drill/driver (3601) and hammer drill (3602).

As an aside, cordless drills and hammer drills are both considered drill/drivers, but it seems unnecessary to write out “drill/driver” or “hammer drill/driver” every time. A lot of tool users delegate fastening tasks to impact drivers, but the repeatability of a drill with adjustable torque clutch is still very hard to beat.

The 3601 looks to be replacing the 2801, which has been a highly well-regarded compact brushless drill in the years since it launched.

2902 – This hammer drill fills the gap between the compact brushless drills and M18 Fuel heavy duty models. With Milwaukee now having launched a compact brushless hammer drill, the 2902 seems almost unnecessary.

2903/2904 – These are Milwaukee’s M18 Fuel flagship models – their best drills with the latest tech and features. The hammer drill (2904) is more popular and featured in more sales, promotions, and combo kits.

The 2606 (and 2607 hammer drill) are older tech. As mentioned above, they’re included in high value combo kits, but they can be safely ignored. If you’re looking just to buy a cordless drill, you get much more with Milwaukee’s compact brushless drills, and often at lower prices too.

The outgoing M18 compact brushless drill (2801) is a strong performer and great value. It’s not shown here as it’s seemingly being replaced by the new 3601.

There’s a single battery promo kit version, model 2801-21P, that has been regularly discounted to $99 seasonally. Hopefully the same will be true for the new 3601 model.

As mentioned, the M18 Fuel drill (2903) and hammer drill (2904) are Milwaukee’s flagship models. These are Milwaukee’s best and highest-performing cordless drills. If you’re simply looking for Milwaukee’s best cordless drill – the 2904 is what you want.

Model	2606	3601	3602	2902	2903	2904
System	M18	M18	M18	M18	M18	M18
Type		Compact	Compact		FUEL	FUEL
Brushless	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Torque (in-lbs)	500	550	550	725	1400	1400
Speed (RPM)	450 1800	550 1700	550 1700	550 1800	500 2100	500 2100
Length	7.8″	5.7″	5.8″	7″	6.9″	6.9″
Weight (lbs)	3.3	2.3	2.3	3.1	3.2	3.3
Chuck	1/2″	1/2″	1/2″	1/2″	1/2″	1/2″
Hammer	No	No	Yes	Yes	No	Yes
BPM			25,500	28,800		33,000
Launch Year	2013	2023	2023	2018	2022	2022

I should add that the M18 Fuel drills have an AutoStop feature, an anti-kickback technology designed to help prevent twisting injuries that can happen when a drill binds or jams.

All of the weights are tool-only specs.

If you want to narrow things down quickly, I’d say look at the M18 compact brushless drill, model 3601 (or outgoing 2801 if you’re in a hurry), or the M18 Fuel brushless hammer drill, model 2904. I’d say that these two models will serve most users’ needs.

M18 Cordless Drills with One-Key

Milwaukee recently launched new One-Key versions of their M18 Fuel cordless drill and hammer drill.

The One-Key models, 2905 for the drill/driver and 2906 for the hammer drill, are nearly identical to the 2903 and 2904 drills, but with app-based customizations.

Most notably, the One-Key versions give you more control over the AutoStop anti-kickback tech, as well as customizable speed settings.

Milwaukee M12 Cordless Drills

2407 – Milwaukee’s M12 brushed motor drill is a bit long in the tooth, but still delivers solid performance. It’s a decent value-choice and is included in a couple of seasonal “special buy” kits and combo kits.

2408 – The brushed motor hammer drill isn’t widely available, but it’s still around.

3403/3404 – Milwaukee’s flagship M12 Fuel cordless drill (3403) and hammer drill (3404) are an improvement over the previous generation. They offer a great balance between power and size. The hammer drill is more widely available and included in more discounts and promos.

2505 – The M12 Fuel 4-in-1 drill/driver is a problem-solver that comes with different attachments for drilling holes and accessing fasteners in tight or awkward locations.

If you’re set on an M12 cordless drill, the choices are easy. The 2407 is still a decent budget pick, the M18 Fuel hammer drill (3404) is the performance pick – and often included in deal bundles and promos – and the 2505 is the “you’ll know if you need it” specialty option.

Model	2407	2408	3403	3404	2505
System	M12	M12	M12	M12	M12
Type			FUEL	FUEL	FUEL
Brushless	No	No	Yes	Yes	Yes
Torque (in-lbs)	275	275	400	400	300
Speed (RPM)	400 1500	400 1500	450 1550	450 1550	400 1600
Length	7.4″	7.6″	5.95″	6″	5.1″
Weight (lbs)	2.4	2.3	2.1	2.2	2
Chuck	3/8″	3/8″	1/2″	1/2″	4-in-1
Hammer	No	Yes	No	Yes	No
BPM		0-25,500		0-25,500
Launch Year	2013	2013	2022	2022	2019

Best Milwaukee Cordless Drill for Power Users

Do you want the do-it-all cordless drill? Go for the Milwaukee M18 Fuel hammer drill, model 2904.

You might be thinking “but I don’t really need the hammer drill functionality.” I get it – I’m the same way; I prefer cordless drills to hammer drills where there’s a meaningful difference.

However, there’s not much difference here, and good reasons to look at the hammer drill over the non-hammer drill.

If the hammer drill is any longer, it’s by a rounding error, and it’s less than 1/10 of a pound heavier. There’s no obvious downside anymore.

The drill/driver (2903) is $10 less for the tool-only, and the same for the 2-battery kit. But, there are many more opportunities to score the hammer drill at a discount.

The 2pc combo kit with a hammer drill and impact driver is a popular way to get Milwaukee’s latest and greatest drilling and driving tech.

Buy the Drill Kit at Home Depot

Buy the Hammer Drill Kit at Home Depot

Buy the 2pc Combo Kit at Home Depot

At the time of this posting, Home Depot has a promo bundle where you can get the tool-only M18 Fuel hammer drill with a bonus charger, 5Ah battery, and 2Ah battery. The tool-only drill/driver is regularly $189, and the tool-only hammer drill is $199. But here, you get the hammer drill, 2x batteries, and a charger, for $199.

Do you see what I mean about how the M18 Fuel hammer drill is worth looking at over the drill/driver, even if you don’t plan on drilling into masonry materials?

Best Milwaukee Cordless Drill Where Size Matters

Milwaukee did a great job with their latest M12 Fuel cordless hammer drill, model 3404.

It’s compact, powerful enough for most light to medium duty tasks, and comfortable to use (at least in my opinion). These are Milwaukee’s best M12 Fuel cordless drills to date.

As with the M18 Fuel drills, the M12 Fuel hammer drill (3404) is featured in more deals and promos than the non-hammer drill (3403). If you just want a cordless drill without hammer function, you can save $10.

Personally, I tend to favor compact 18V-class cordless drills over the M12 Fuel, as the nature of how M12 batteries attach to the drill makes the handle thicker. I feel that the ergonomics have gotten better with each revision, and it’s hard to argue with the small size and light weight of these drills.

The M12 Fuel hammer drill can be a good one-and-only compact drill, or a complement to a higher power 18V-class model.

Milwaukee makes it highly compelling for tool users to upgrade to the latest M12 Fuel hammer drill and brushless impact driver at the same time.

If you’re interested in the Milwaukee M12 Fuel hammer drill, you might want to consider the 2pc hammer drill and impact driver combo kit for just $20 more.

Buy the TK at Home Depot

Buy the Combo Kit at Home Depot

Best Milwaukee Cordless Drill for Most Casual Users

The new Milwaukee 3601 and 3602 M18 compact brushless drill and hammer drill are expected to launch in late summer 2023, and so I have not been able to test them yet.

However, they build upon the previous generations of Milwaukee’s M18 compact brushless drills – tools that I have been especially fond of over the years – and so I am very optimistic that they’ll perform at least on-par if not better.

The new models compare well against the last generation with respect to power and speed, and are more compact.

Here’s a quick comparison:

Model	2801	3601
System	M18	M18
Type	Compact	Compact
Brushless	Yes	Yes
Torque (in-lbs)	500	550
Speed (RPM)	500	550
	1800	1700
Length	6.5″	5.7″
Weight (lbs)	2.5	2.3
Chuck	1/2″	1/2″
Hammer	No	No
Launch Year	2018	2023

If you can wait, I think this will be the model for most casual users to get, as it offers a balance between power, size, and cost.

Buy the 1-Battery Kit at Acme Tools

Buy the Combo Kit at Acme Tools

Buy the Older Model at Home Depot

Best Value Milwaukee Cordless Drill

I fully expect for the new 3601 to also be the new best value pick.

Milwaukee’s cordless drill kits always feature 2 batteries, except for special promotional kits that are sold as seasonal special buys.

Shown here is the 3601-21P, which is the upcoming compact brushless drill kit with a 2Ah battery, charger, and tool bag.

There’s no guarantee it’ll be discounted to the same low price point as the previous generation model, but I’m hoping it will. (Home Depot is currently showing the promo kit at $99 but out of stock, all but confirming that my optimism won’t lead to disappointment.)

In the meantime, if you can’t wait, the 2801-21P promo kit is still a great bargain at $99.

Buy the Older Model at Home Depot

Buy it at Home Depot

Best Milwaukee Cordless Drill for Working in Tight Spots

Milwaukee’s M12 Fuel installation drill/driver is a convenient and versatile problem-solver.

With the drill chuck attached, it’s a fairly compact drill. (The length listed in the specs table above is for the tool-only.)

Or you can add a quick-change chuck, right angle adapter, or offset adapter to drill or drive around obstacles or in corners and tight spaces. The drill chuck can be attached to the right angle adapter as well.

As mentioned above, this is a “you’ll know if you need it” type of drill. If you’re on the fence, keep track of all the types of tasks and applications you’d use it for, and wait for the next deal bundle or sale.

It has an adjustable torque clutch, which makes it a convenience option for driving fasteners to repeatable depths.

I tend to use it more for driving fasteners than drilling holes, but your needs and habits might be different..

The design takes a little getting used to, but I think it’s worth it.

Some users don’t like the style or placement of the electronic direction control switch, but I have not found it to be a problem.

Buy the Kit at Home Depot

Buy the Tool at Acme Tools

Where to Get the Best Deals

A lot of buying guides point to listings at Amazon and Walmart as places to buy Milwaukee drills and other cordless power tools, but neither are authorized dealers for the brand. Most 3rd party listings are from resellers who shop the same retail sales and deals you can.

Acme Tools, Home Depot, Ohio Power Tool, and Tool Nut are recommended sources for Milwaukee tools.

You can sometimes get great discounts on drill kits, but a lot of the time the best deals are on bundle or combo offerings.

I included some shopping tips in the post, such as how the hammer drill versions can be better buys than the non-hammer model drills. Please let me know if you have any questions!

Reader Recommendations?

I covered what I’d pick and why – I narrowed it down to the M12 and M18 Fuel hammer drills, the M18 compact brushless drill, and the M12 Fuel 4-in-1 installation drill/driver.

I put together the information I’d find helpful when shopping for a drill, and would appreciate any feedback.

Do you agree with these recommendations? What would you pick differently?

Makita Finally Launched an XGT Jig Saw – But Not in the USA

Stuart — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 14:59:25 +0000

Makita has finally launched an XGT cordless jig saw, model JV001G, which from the product specs looks to outperform their 18V model.

The new Makita XGT cordless jig saw features a brushless motor, barrel-style grip, variable speed dial, and 3 orbital settings.

At this time, only a barrel grip model has been announced, and there is no indication as to if or when a D-handle jig saw might be released.

Features & Specs

800 – 3500 SPM (strokes per minute)
26mm stroke length
Bevels 45° left and right
Soft start with disabling function
Wider base plate for less wobbling
Twin LED lights
Tool-free blade clamp
Weighs 1.91 kg (~4.21 lbs) tool-only
84 dB(A) noise level

Makita’s 18V brushless jig saw model (DJV181Z overseas, XVJ01Z in USA), is advertised as delivering up to 390W of continuous rating input. The new XGT model is said to deliver a continuous rating input of 700W. The18V model is slightly quieter with a 78 dB(A) noise rating.

Note: Makita lists the top speed as 3000 SPM in some places, and 3500 SPM in others. I would assume that 3500 SPM is correct, to match the max speed of the 18V model.

I would think this difference in power – 700W vs 390W – might deliver improved performance or faster application speeds under heavier loads, similar to what Makita advertises for their XGT cordless router compared to their 18V model.

Makita USA has failed to bring many XGT cordless power tools to the USA market in a timely manner – and sometimes at all. Because of that, there is uncertainty as to whether the XGT jig saw will launch in the USA, or when.

For example, Makita came out with an XGT cordless brad nailer more than 2 years ago, but it still isn’t available here in the USA.

Overseas, there’s also a new cordless power station and USB charger, cordless microwave, USB-C charger with LED light, and others.

Makita USA blacklisted ToolGuyd (again) without any explanation – seemingly after we reported on their numerous price hikes and recent company-wide layoffs – and so there’s no one to ask about potential USA availability.

Bosch Gains Momentum with New 18V Cordless Concrete Nailer

Stuart — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 22:03:14 +0000

Bosch set themselves up for a big second half of 2023, with new cordless power tools – and that’s just the start of things.

Here, we’ll be taking a look at the new Bosch 18V concrete nailer, model GNB18V-12, which is described as delivering gas-powered performance and with a cordless design that’s engineered to last.

The new Bosch cordless nailer recently launched as part of their 18V ProFactor family of high performance power tools.

It features a BiTurbo brushless motor, which Bosch says takes full advantage of their higher power Core18V batteries, and an internal air-spring design for fast and consistent nailing. No air hoses or consumable gas cartridges are needed.

Bosch recommends their 18V 8Ah (GBA18V80) and 12Ah (GBA18V120) Core18V batteries for maximum tool performance.

The nailer is capable of sinking up to 1.5″ collated nails into concrete.

Features include:

Single-Shot Magazine and Nosepiece – this allows users to swap between collated nails and single shots needed for MEP (mechanical, electrical, plumbing) applications.

Open-System Magazine – the collated magazine can hold 22 shots, and an extra capacity 44-shot magazine is available separately.

Air-Spring Design – for fast and consistent nailing.

Removable Footpiece – provides stability when firing the nailer perpendicular to the workpiece.

Nosepiece – pressure is required for the nail to be fired. The nosepiece must be depressed again if the nail is not fired within 5 seconds.

Additional features include:

Depth adjustment
Sliding magazine lock
Magazine release lever
Tool lockout for safer transportation
LED worklight

It also has an on-tool user display for managing tool performance and battery life status.

The nailer is available as a tool-only (GNB18V-12N) and in a kit (GNB18V-12K14).

The kit comes with a tool carrying case, charger, and Core18V 8Ah battery.

Both the bare tool and kitted tool come with the 22-shot collated magazine, single-shot magazine, single-shot nosepiece, and a utility hook.

An extended capacity magazine (GNB44M) is available separately.

Price: $599 for tool-only, $749 for the kit

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Dimensions and Weight

15.9″ length
12.1″ height
5.4″ width
Weighs 9 lbs

Bosch Concrete Nails and Pins

Bosch has also come out with pins designed for use with the new cordless concrete nailer, as well as “most major concrete nailer tools.”

The pins are designed for use in A36 and A572 steel, concrete, CMU block, and sand-lightweight concrete over metal deck.

Collated Concrete Nails

NB-063 – 5/8″
NB-075 – 3/4″
NB-100 – 1″
NB-125 – 1-1/4″
NB-150 – 1-1/2″

Collated Wood-to-Concrete Nails

NK-138 – 1-3/8″

The CFS nails feature a spiral knurled shank.

Collated Steel/Metal Collated Nails

NM-050 – 1/2″
NM-063 – 5/8″
NM-075 – 3/4″

Bosch says that their nailer and nails were ICC tested and certified together. It’s also described as an open system where you can also use competitive collated nails and single shots.

Discussion

As mentioned in the title, I feel that Bosch is gaining a bit of momentum with this launch.

Here we have a brand new cordless concrete nailer, with modern tech and features, as well as a line of nails to go with it.

This isn’t all Bosch is coming out with this year. They also have a new cordless heat gun (thank you Ken for the email about this!), X-Lock angle grinder, drywall pole sander, USB charging adapter (but sadly not USB-C), and more.

On top of that, Bosch also launched their partnered AmpShare cordless system in North America.

And, Bosch also improved their 18V Limited Warranty policies, which I’ll detail in a separate post. In a nutshell, users get significant increases in tool, charger, and battery warranty periods, and product registration is recommended but no longer required for this.

Bosch says this of the new concrete nailer:

The new 18V Concrete Nailer, the newest addition to the PROFACTOR high-powered system, is expected to be a fan favorite for workers looking for a fast, consistent nailing solution.

I am not very familiar with the cordless concrete nailer landscape, but Bosch’s looks to at least be competitive.

We’ll have more Bosch 18V cordless power tool news in coming weeks.

Dewalt Adds 2 Cordless Rivet Tools to 20V Max Lineup

Stuart — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 14:07:45 +0000

Dewalt recently launched their first-ever 20V Max cordless rivet tools, DCF403 and DCF414.

Both models are similar in design, but with different max pulling strengths and fastener setting capacities.

The two Dewalt cordless rivet tools can be used to fasten blind rivets made from aluminum, steel, and stainless steel.

The brushless rivet tools are designed for broad use, such as in HVAC, roofing, prefabrication, assembly, and automotive applications.

They feature on-board nosepiece storage and a removable mandrel collector to help keep your working area cleaner. Both tools also have a built-in LED worklight.

Dewalt DCF403 3/16″ Cordless Rivet Tool

The Dewalt DCF403 can deliver up to 2,100 pound force (lbf) pulling strength and has a 0.98″ stroke length. Dewalt says it can set up to 800x 3/16″ stainless steel rivets per charge (with a 2Ah DCB203 battery).

It’s compatible with 3/32″, 1/8″, 5/32″, and 3/16″ rivet sizes.

The DCF403 is available in tool-only format (DCF403B) or in a kit (DCF403D1) with a 2Ah battery, charger, and tool bag.

Price: $299 for the tool, $369 for the kit

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Dewalt DCF414 1/4″ Cordless Rivet Tool

The Dewalt DCF414 is more powerful, delivering a pulling force up to 4,500 lbf. It can drive up to 300x 1/4″ stainless steel rivets per charge (with a compact PowerStack DCPB034 battery).

This model has a longer stroke length – 1.18″.

It’s compatible with 3/16″, 15/64″, and 1/4″ rivet sizes.

The DCF414 is available in tool-only format (DCF414B) or in a kit (DCF414GE2) with 2x compact and oil-resistant PowerStack batteries, charger, and tool bag.

Price: $799 for the tool, $959 for the kit

Both kits look to be bundled with Dewalt’s compact charger, DCB1102, which provides a 2A charging rate and is compatible with the brand’s 12V Max, 20V Max, and FlexVolt batteries.

Dewalt DCF403 and DCF414 Differences

Both tools have similar features and can be used on aluminum, steel, and stainless steel rivets. The DCF403 is designed for working with smaller rivets, and the DCF414 for larger ones.

The tools are also kitted differently, with the DCF403 bundled with a standard compact battery, and the DCF414 with oil-resistant PowerStack batteries.

DCF403

2,100 lbf pulling force
0.98″ stroke length

Includes nose pieces for 3/32″, 1/8″, 5/32″, and 3/16″ rivets.

DCF414

4,500 lbf pulling force
1.18″ stroke length

Includes nose pieces for 3/16″, 15/64″, and 1/4″ rivets.

Dewalt Upgraded this Underrated Impact Driver Kit

Stuart — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 15:00:01 +0000

Dewalt has upgraded their DCF840 cordless impact driver kit with a 2Ah battery.

The Dewalt DCF840 is a 20V Max impact driver with brushless motor, compact size, and 1700 in-lbs max torque.

It lacks some of the premium features of the excellent Atomic series DCF850 impact driver and DCF845 impact driver that shares a similar design and size.

In my opinion, the DCF840 is underrated. It’s a fantastic impact, but I always felt its kit configuration could be better.

The DCF840 has been available in a promo-priced kit for several seasons now, DCF840C2, which is bundled with a charger, tool bag, and 2x 1.5Ah (or 1.3AH?) batteries.

Lowe’s has this kit at its typical seasonal sale price of $99 right now.

The only negative about this kit is its batteries. When I bought the kit, I kept the impact and gave away the batteries. I generally don’t keep 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah batteries – I donate them, whether purchased as part of a kit or received with review samples.

Except for Dewalt’s super-compact PowerStack battery, I generally don’t like to use batteries with less than 2Ah of charge capacity.

Now, Dewalt upgraded the DCF840 to be bundled with a 2Ah battery in this new kit, DCF840D1.

Dewalt has done similar with their new 20V Max Atomic drill and impact driver kits earlier this year. With the Atomic series, those new kits are shipping with “new “D1” battery configurations – a single 2Ah battery. As with the DCF840, the older Atomic tool kits shipped with “C2” battery configurations – two 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah batteries.

Dewalt also recently updated their Atomic series impact driver kit to match – DCF809D1. That makes sense; if the new Atomic drills are now kitted with a 2Ah battery, the impact from the same line was bound to receive the same treatment.

The Atomic impact kit received more of an upgrade, as a single kitted 2Ah battery replaced a single kitted 1.3Ah/1.5Ah battery. For the new Atomic drill kits, a single kitted 2Ah replaced 2x 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah batteries that the outgoing models were bundled with.

In case you’re wondering, I prefer the DCF840 impact discussed here over the Atomic series DC809 impact.

When the new Atomic cordless drills were announced, I asked Dewalt about the battery change. They said:

Through our research, we have concluded that users preferred the DCB203 battery over the 1.3Ah, which is why we decided to kit with the DCB203. We want to offer our users different options in this category that bring value at multiple price points.

Indeed, I would rather buy a kit with 1x 2Ah battery than 2x 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah batteries. Dewalt’s official rationale for why they bundled the new Atomic drill and impact driver kits with a single 2Ah battery perfectly aligns with this.

However, there are definitely strategic reasons why the brand could have continued to offer these kits with two batteries.

Thinking aloud, could this potentially be a cost-cutting measure, at least in part?

Two 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah batteries each with 5x Li-ion battery cells, a battery management circuit board, tool contacts, and a plastic housing, might cost more than a single battery with 2Ah cells.

Maybe we’re starting to see shortages or higher prices for 18650 cylindrical-style Li-ion battery cells? A few years ago, when 21700-sized cells were emerging, a cordless power tool battery engineer told me that we are bound to see changes in 18650 battery cell pricing or availability as 21700 cells increase in popularity. Could that have now come true?

Regardless as to the reason, I’m glad to see the change.

Conventionally, two batteries are better than one, especially when the total charge capacity is higher.

But unless you’re just buying a drill or impact kit, I typically prefer higher capacity batteries. A 2Ah battery is going to last longer than a 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah battery before requiring a break to recharge.

Yes, you can swap two batteries, but like a lot of users I like to equip every tool needed for a project with its own battery.

Once a user expands beyond what’s included in these promotional-priced tool kits, 1.3Ah and 1.5Ah batteries start to lose their utility. My lowest capacity batteries end up relegated to backup status, and I have found over the years that I never use them.

Dewalt PowerStack is the exception, as their 1.7Ah battery provides smaller size and lower weight benefits, and has the muscle to power more demanding tools than the older style 1.3Ah and 1.5Ah battery packs.

In my opinion, this update makes the DCF840D1 kit slightly less perfect for beginner users, and much more appealing to existing or future Dewalt 20V Max cordless power tool users.

I can always buy more batteries, but I don’t like paying for 1.3Ah or 1.5Ah batteries I won’t use.

Most competing cordless power tool brands, such as Milwaukee, Makita, Ridgid, and now Flex, also offer promo drill and impact driver kits bundled with a single battery. I believe that Bosch and Metabo HPT are the only brands that still offer promo kits with 2 starter capacity batteries.

All those thoughts about the context aside, are you getting more or less? You’re getting less – one fewer battery and lower total charge capacity – but I see this as an upgrade.

I’m surprised Dewalt gave the DCF840 kit the same treatment as their Atomic series, but probably should have anticipated it.

The DCF840 is a fantastic impact at $99 (and can sometimes be purchased for less when retailers run coupon promos). It might be the only single speed impact driver I enjoy using.

Price: $99