The main downside is that you can’t always reach the deeply-set screws but selection of bits is second to none, and it’s got a great magnet tip.

https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Drivers_and_Wrenches

PB Swiss color codes the allen keys, why hasn’t anyone done this for precision drivers?

I have a bunch of newer Craftsman and they are crap. They break midway where the metal shank ends. I’m throwing them away as they break and buying Felo instead. If I trade them in, I’ll still have crap.

I still use them all the time for work and play – obviously my favorites.

BTW, why are Wiha Tools USA and Bondhus Tools in the same small town of Monticello, MN?

I was about to ask about Moody. Mine have been fantastic.

I know from experience two previous companies I worked for changed ownership resulting in major changes in direction and the final products changed for the worse.

I own a Weller solder station (about 15 years old) that has been bomb proof and have used Xcelite screw drivers (unknown purchase date) from a previous company I worked for that were excellent.

I don’t want to leave the impression simply being owned by any major company results in a poor product. I just bought 1/4 and 3/8 GearWrench socket sets with the 120 tooth (double 60 tooth) ratchets that seem fairly nice for the price I paid. If I’m not mistaken GearWrench is owned by Apex Tool Group. Its no Snap-on but I am impressed for the price.

I wish Wiha had a better warranty policy. I would stick with them if they did.
When its all said and done I need tools that are quality with a no nonsense warranty if something happens.

Xcelite is owned by Apex Tool Group, but I believe they’re still positioned as an industrial brand. But that said, I don’t own many Xcelite tools, so I can’t talk about the quality.

Apex Tool Group owns a number of commercial and industrial tool brands, the first 2 that come to mind being Cleco and Weller.

My mistake.
It was Xcelite I was looking into as a replacement for my Wiha precision screwdrivers, and Xcelite is owned by Apex Tool Group.

Who told you that Wiha is owned by Apex Tool Group?

That does not seem to be true. Could you please verify this?

I did some looking around and noticed Wiha is owned by Apex Tool Group now so I doubt the quality and warranty are up to the same standard.
Its sad what is happening to the tool world with globalization taking a foothold and cheapening our beloved tools.

I’ll be buying another brand that stands behind their tools with a solid warranty (if one exists anymore)

I bought an xcelite set about 8 years ago, and the metal was really soft. the only one I actually like is the p0, which I’ve used alongside my wiha p0 for torqier tasks, but far from a quality set. good bang for the buck, I suppose

Also AF and Bergeon do some nice sets (and some not so nice), although Bergeon are over priced in my opinion. Also Cousins uk – jewellery tool supplier do their own VERY decent drivers. MUCH better than Moody and others mentioned on this site. Wera are consistently good quality and good prices, for what you get, both their precision tools and bigger tools. Their stuff actually works well and lasts. There are others that are maybe ‘cheap knock-offs’ but are much better than Moody and others mentioned too – Nanch, iwork, Neo, although you need to pick a good set as some batches are pretty awful and some are very good. Tekton is another one that does half decent and cheap precision drivers. All mentioned above have been better than Moody and I had two sets sent back to Neo and iwork and got replacements. Just tested ‘ Hama’ micro set and it is great and cost about $10. Very disappointed about the $1000s I spent on Moody tools. I have a few of their drivers that are ‘OK’ but not as strong as other brands. Another decent brand that I use often is Facom -they have some very nice precision sets and I have every one they own. I often find myself using Facom, Wera, Cousins, and Nanch. I used to always use Bergeon and AF but not so much now. I often use ifixit / Wiha bits with the Nanch tools. I like Wiha bits but not their drivers.

My experience too! I bought every set of Moody precision screwdrivers available after reading reviews on the internet and I am not impressed. Wera is so much better. Moody have broken on me and are not at all well made. Bad tempering, and bad finishing. They are very weak tools and not nice to handle.Two pieces were missing from two of the biggest sets and I contacted Moody a few times and they said they would send the missing parts. They never did.

Not really. I have bought more Wiha screwdrivers, but have not tried additional precision screwdriver styles since.

All of the recommendations still stand.

I haven’t really tried powered precision screwdrivers yet. Maybe a cheap one once or twice.

Powered drivers are better for repetitive tasks. Maybe I’ll give them a serious try later in the year.

thanks again